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The two were joined by psychotherapist Dr. Nadine Macaluso on their podcast -
Nadine interviewed live on NBC affiliate NECN
Dr. Nadine Macaluso, PhD — known to her community as Dr. Nae — survived a trauma-bonded marriage to the real Wolf of Wall Street. Rather than stay silent, she channeled that experience into a doctorate in somatic psychology and a career dedicated to helping women recognize and recover from pathological relationships.
As founder of the Trauma Bond Recovery community and author of Run Like Hell: A Therapist’s Guide to Recognizing, Escaping, and Healing from Trauma Bonds, Dr. Nae has built one of the most trusted platforms in trauma bond recovery. She is a sought-after expert on narcissistic abuse and coercive control, a consultant on family law cases.
Her story is one of the most compelling in mental health today: a clinician who lived it, studied it, and is now leading the conversation globally.

